maika
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Post by maika on Feb 8, 2012 17:15:20 GMT 1
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F2020 wants to make EU exchange programmes – like Erasmus or the European Voluntary Service (EVS) – more attractive. We believe this is very important to give people a chance to build a European identity and cross-cultural understanding. (200 characters)
Initial feedback from the required info group:
Proposition to replace "to give people a chance to build a European identity" with "to let people create a true European identity"
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Post by Avgustina Vasilieva on Feb 9, 2012 10:44:25 GMT 1
I think "to let people create a true European identity" is better. What do you think about "to give people a chance to build a European identity in a multicultural diversity"?
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Post by helenaerbanova on Feb 10, 2012 15:05:55 GMT 1
What about "to encourage people to adopt a true European identity"?
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Post by Kathleen on Feb 11, 2012 19:31:09 GMT 1
I think, it can maybe misunderstood to say that we want to make EU exchange programs more attractive. How could we do this? I mean it is rather the task of the programs itself to make them attractive. We don't even have the ressources to do this (advertising etc.) What we as Initiative can do, in my opion, is to inform people about the importance of these programs for their personal but also professionel development, as it is, in the end, an enriching experience. Well, if it goes well, it is one! (No, that's not true, even if anything goes wrong, it can be enriching, but I don't know if each person would see it like this) But that was rather my understanding of the idea behind the Fraternite2020 movement. Maybe I did not get it right......
as concerns the European identity: I know that the term is very popular, especially in this context...but I would rather not use it, because it can be misinterpreted.
as concerns cross-cultural understanding: I would rather talk about "cultural sensitivity" they acquire through their experience (EVS, Erasmus) and the change in awareness/consciousness that comes automatically by living in another country and cultural context
in the end, ideally, the people acquire "cross-cultural competencies through their experience abroad but if they build up an European identity, I don't know, I am not sure about this. First of all, it would be necessary to define what an European identity is. I am not sure what that means and if the 1 Million people who read this will understand what it means.
Sorry, for being so pettifogging but I studied exactly this topic during 5 years : Cross-cultural Communication! and I am now engaged in European socialisation topics.....
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Post by Kathleen on Feb 11, 2012 23:17:39 GMT 1
@markus: I can understand that you find my approach to the topic a little bit too academic, of course! In general, I think that everything should be shorter and clearer as I have the feeling it is not really at the moment...as to say..not easy to grasp what is our purpose, what we stand for etc. I don't think it is necessary to use passive formulations. It would be better just to say what we want and what we are doing and not what we are doing in a broader sense, namely 'making EU exchange programs more attractive'. I just think that is not our point.... or I did not well understood the Fraternité movement!?
Could you explain to me in your own words what Fraternité2020 is about? What is the point?
--> cross-cultural skills: if you replace cross-cultural by intercultural (the more appropriate and commonly used term) you have 9,820,000 hits. I think we should use the latter one.
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Agnes
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Post by Agnes on Feb 12, 2012 15:38:40 GMT 1
just a short note: cross-cultural understanding sounds nicer and i guess has deeper meaning than cross-cultural skills. google is a cheater sometimes i vote for c-c understanding, as this very element is the base of the whole united european identity thing
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Post by Kathleen on Feb 12, 2012 23:12:50 GMT 1
Markus, I really have the impression that even among other CC members it is not that clear what exactly the Fraternite2020 movement is about (--> see thread about the title)
However, I found your answer to my question very interesting because it has shown me that I did not really understood the idea behind Fraternité. As you are a founding member, I think we should find out together now what were your initial motives to found Fraternité2020 and make it CLEAR to all of us and to the public (afterwards).
So, my next question is: what is new in the approach? because you wrote that Fraternité2020 is a new approach to unite Europe's citizens. To what extent does F2020 do it? That's what I meant in my last post with the question...What's the point??? Make it clear!
Because, unfortunately, your statement is not clear enough (to me). I don't understand what you mean, exactly. Do you understand what I mean? Please don't feel attacked by my words, I am just trying to build brigdes of common understanding....to help us creating a good text for the commission....
Thanks, Kathleen
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Post by Kathleen on Feb 13, 2012 10:43:18 GMT 1
@markus
point 1) is absolutely clear, point 2) and 3) not because how do you want to improve the programs by giving people more chances to develop new skills - that does not make sense to me. to build a genuinely united Europe at grass-roots level = clear as well and the new approach ok I understand.
--> We should then, absolutely, highlighten the fact that it is a bottom-up initiative and address each European citizen (of the 1 million) as personal as possible (important for the selection of a title)
Therefore, it seems to me that the justification why we want more funds for EU exchange programs has to be clearer. If point 2) and 3) are the justification for it then it is not clear at all why do we want more money. And especially if you want to convince 1 million European citizens why they should sign for our initiative, the justification of our claims has to be absolutely clear. .... I just imagine receiving a mail from F2020 with the request to sign and I read what F2020 wants but I don't really understand why, I don't even know whether I would sign. Just my opinion!
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Post by Kathleen on Feb 13, 2012 22:42:44 GMT 1
@markus: Are you sure? We could at least try...no? If you could tell me in your own words what it is about maybe I can shorten it in an adequate way...well, I was not there when you founded F2020 but I am very optimistic that it could be resumed in one or two or three sentences what you thought at that moment...Please think about it....
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Post by helenaerbanova on Feb 14, 2012 17:33:01 GMT 1
Hey guys, I just think that maybe we should rethink the whole point of the "subject matter". I would say the goal should be to give a statement as catchy as possible, no space for long, complicated sentences or expressions (that shall be in the "objectives" part). Thinking from the "business" point of view, we want to catch an eye of a potential signatory. Let's think about it for a while as an email - if you want a stranger to open it and read it, you will also try to make a super attractive subject, which will make the person think: "Hey, wait a moment, it might be worth reading further". So maybe before we start to create complicated statements, let's wait for the results of the "Title" polls. Then we could create something catchy, what will at the same time compliment the title itself. In my opinion it should really be rather a slogan. But that's only my idea, maybe I got it whole wrong
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